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TTA...I just want to make sure of one thing, you don't like me very much do you?

I promise to try and be more insulting.

Actually, it's sort of a good feeling knowing you're out there keeping me honest.

Thanks.

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Guys,

I haven't been following your previous exchanges too closely, but it seems that you two don't get on. Whether it has been in an argument over a theory or someone has insulted someone, we have had these incidents before and we won't stand for them. If you can't all play nicely, someone's gonna get themselvea banned. There is no reason to dislike a person on this board. Our aim is to grow a community that is a family of friends. If we start trying to win little insult and vengence battles in posts we will become nothing short of an immature faliure.

Feel free to argue with ideas, but please, keep personal feelings to yourself (hostile ones anyway). If you really want to slag someone off or have a personal argument, EMAIL them. Don't waste other people's and my time by using the board.

It's obvious we were going to get people posting on the board claiming to be "time travellers" or claiming to have esoteric knowledge and not being prepared to tell anyone else.

It's nice to think a pioneer of time travel would grace our board, and who knows - maybe he/she has.

But one thing for sure. The typicality of coming on here and saying: "I'm a time traveller", "I know something you don't know" bla bla bla - is the thing a genuine time traveller would do.

In my opinion, time trave would be used for tactical and extremely classified research, possibly in lots of different forms, and revealing oneself would probably cause destruction of the research aims.

Anyway, as to TTA/Enforcer and TT_0, you two obviously have some civil dispute - please keep it away from the board. I don't exactly see why you are arguing with TT_0, he doesn't seem to be being aggressive?

-Admin

P.S. Time Enforcer and TTA you're the same person (Javier?)???

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TimeTravel_0

Please take some time and answer these new questions.

1.) What weapons did you use to protect yourself throughout your life? Do you have a weapon with you now, just in case?

2.) What is your favourite food? (whether you had access to it or not)

3.) Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?

4.) While you were in the 1970's what did you think of Nixon as President?

5.) Do you plan to do any more time traveling when you return to 2036?

6.) Do you have any doubts about this time travel experience and the computer mission that you are on?

7.) What have you leared the most from the people of this board?

8.) Where did you learn the use of "Gosub" and which computer language?

9.) Where did you learn to write perfect English? How much time did it take?

10.) Was China your enemy?

11.) Do they have Pac Man or Donkey Kong in 2036?

12.) Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036?

13.) Do you have any problems with the number thirteen?

14.) If the worldlines are changed by everyone's choices, this means we are all manevering through timelines as we make these choices. Since everyone is making different choices, why do we still meet people that coincide with our previous worldline?

15.) In your opinion, would timelines be better represented as an inflated ballon, or a layered Rubix cube with interchanging and overlapping interactions?

16.) Does your group have a television in 2036?

17.) Does your group have a flashlight in 2036? If so, what type of batteries does it use?

18.) How is electricity generated in 2036?

19.) Does the sun look any different in 2036 than it does now?

20.) What sort of clothing do you wear in 2036? Is there strong attention payed to what people wear in the group?

21.) Where were you born?

I'm sorry that the list is so long, but I hope that you will enjoy answering them, and we will all learn from them.

TimeTravel_0 if you have any more questions you would like to know about us, please post them.

Thanks.

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Dear Deviper,

I have heard of the EPR paradox before. But I am not sure if my memory serves. Is the EPR paradox the paradox that seems to insist that particles are both waves and particals? Does the EPR paradox suggest partical wave duality. If the EPR paradox is partical wave duality then yes I believe that I may be on the track to solving this phenomenon or on the track to making a big scientific error. Either case will provide knowlege for future theorists to guide them unto more accurate truth. So if I am right then great but if not then perhaps someone else can take my knowlege and correct it and discover the truth. I believe that I will be able to provide alot more accurate knowlege through experimentation and measurement. Perhaps this will be done by physisists using my device or by myself in a lab of myown should I be lucky enough to abtain this. I believe that the conscept will help describe the partical both as a wave and as a partical in that it describes the mathematical relation of the partical in terms of space and energy density. An electron of low energy would appear to look like a clowd as a result of the energy occupying a greater density of space (which appears to have more volume) and an electron of high energy interactions would appear to be pointlike as a result of the energy occupying a lower density of space( which appears to have less volume).

Does this sound like a possible solution to the EPR paradox?

Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen

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TT_0,

I just have 1 word to describe your last post to me. Arrogant.

Mr. Moderator,

A person doesn't have to be aggressive to be a @&^$#%. As you can tell, he's been using his superior intellect, to manipulate and control his agenda here. Or am I the only one who can see that?

Oh and just one more thing TT_0. I don't like arrogant people, phony people, people that exploit others. Do you fall under those requirements? Of course you do. You’re an opportunist, and it's sickening to me.

So to directly answer your question, NO! I don’t like you.

Do you not wish to acknowledge what you have accomplished here? The people you have ready to back you up and to defend you? You have power, status. And you know it.

But then again, when the Anti-Christ comes into power, he won’t acknowledge his power and control of things just yet. He has an agenda, just like you do TT_0.

Left behind was a really good movie. Anybody here seen it?

By the way, what’s your religion TT_0?

-Javier C.

[This message has been edited by Enforcer of Time (edited 14 February 2001).]

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rgrunt:

Yes I think originally the wave vs. particle dispute was fueld by this seeming "paradox" but if memory serves me correctly, it has now become an issue of our inability to determined the time interval between cause and effect. i.e. the so called inability we suffer from to be able to measure acurately at the quantum level. The Heisenberg Principle if you will. The polarized double slit experiment produces results that for a while led some to speculate that events were occurring SIMULTANEOUSLY in two places at once.

This led to Wave Collapse Theory which Einstein called a "Spooky force at a distance" and never really bought into it as I recall.

It sounds to me a lot like you are headed in the direction of trying to tackle this problem. I'd say, "Good luck". Especially if you can pull it off.

When you say:
"...I believe that I may be on the track to solving this phenomenon or on the track to making a big scientific error."

My response is...

"Aren't we all my friend. Aren't we all".

(Smile)

admin:

Thank you for the recent post.

I too see this as a place of speculation and discovery. That's why I come here.

For what's it worth, I personally have never seen a problem with TT_0's posts since it's quite obvious that he is a fantasizer of fictional possibilities and quite a good one at that.

He seems polite to me, and I can't for one see what all the fuss is about. He does have creative ideas.

It's nice to remember to not take oneself TOO seriously here, but as rgrunt has pointed out, (in so many words), even being wrong is itself an educational experience.

Peace to all.

This is supposed to be a fun board. Lets have fun.

Besides, we're ALL amateurs here and we all know it.

Professional Quantum Theorists don't hang out on boards like this.

(Smile)

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Indeed viper.

A profssional quantun theorist will have his head full of too much crap to even start understanding anything like time travel.

-Admin

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If any one belives this guy they are dumb.he is a guy in his late 50s that needs a life.He stays home all day and thinks of this stuff.I do KNOW the goverment has its secrets but this is to predicable.what the goverment has you are me could never know.and if some one had this infomation he would be to powerful.It would be to bad to even think about.the goverment woud not let it happen.all men fear the same thing to be beating in there game.so the goverment would not let that happen think would you let some one take over you knolege is MY only weopoen and i use it when i can.and anti knolege is it worst enemy.Just think!

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*chin in hand reading*

I would have thought that issue was one of measurement due to technological limitations... If measuring wave ..unable to simultaneously measure particle and vice versa.. is this the paradox of which you are conversing on DaViper and rgrunt?

...and each must learn to laugh at oneself before truly understaning how to laugh with another...

Be safe and dream sweetly.

WS

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So John, when do you plan on answering my questions? On this post, and on the Art Bell forum? http://bbs.artbell.com/showthread.php?postid=21684#post21684

Is there a problem in answering?

Please let me know.... I await you.

-Javier C.

P.S. I believe that as long as we don't know what your secret agenda is, you can just be lying to us. Right?

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Yes I believe that is the theory the topic that we are discussing. I am aware of the limitations of our technology and it is a good question as to wheather or not it is the measuring equipment that produces the affect(paradox) or if the particle is truelly in the form of a wave and sometimes in the form of a particle.

However to me the energy density verses space-time density is merely a simple coscept of one kind of energy occupying energy in the form of a container(space). A simple visual aid to help assist in visualizing the conscept that I am suggesting is to take a single piece of string and tie the ends together so that you have a loop. Now take the loop of string and make a one-half twist so that you have a figure eight.


Now hold the figure eight out in front of you so that the figure eight looks like the infinity symbal. Let the loop that is pointing to your right represent energy and it's density, let the loop that is pointing to the your left represent the density and quantity of space-time that is occupied by the energy.


Now if you increase the radius of the right loop-which symbolizes the energy the left loop will decrease in size and density. If you make the right loop twice it's original size the left loop representing space will shrink to half it's size.


This is the conscept that I am suggesting is accuring with electrons and all energy and mass. Energy occupies space such that when you increase the density of energy the partical absorbs energy from the space that it occupies thus decreasing the density and space that the partical of energy occupies through displacement.


This results in a decrease in the radius of the partical as a result that the particle has more quatity gained from the vacuum of space and has a smaller radius and thus a greater density.


I would say that the the majority and most likely all the extra density gained by and electron of high energy interaction would be absorbed solely from the space-time that the energy occupies resulting in a low space-time pressure intertial hole in the within the quantum matter making up the electrons energy.


I would say that there would be a low pressure region of space-time around the electron itself caused by the space-time of high density surrounding the electron gravitating towards the intertial hole created by the displacement of space-time quantity into electron density.


So I believe that the electron does not absorb energy from the surounding space-time quantity to create the gravitational field surrounding the electron but absorbs the space-time quantity from into energy to add density to the electron during high energy interactions only from the space-time that the electron occupies and that the gravitational field surrounding the electron is caused by the space around the electron to gravitate towards the intertial hole or low space-time pressure within the area that the electron is localized.

This, in my oppinion, is a static system and that the space-time does not flow into the electron from outside the electron but creates a static flow into the electron.

An easy visual aid to observe this kind of phenomenon is to observe the spinning candy cain pole at your local barber shop. Notice that the red and white spirals(helixes) do not actually move up to the top of the cylindrical cain but the rotation of the cylinder makes it appear as though the red and white spirals move toward the top of the candy cain pole.


The helix of the spinning candy pole can represent the space-time in the form of helixical waves spiraling towards the electron mass of low space-time density as a result of the centripital(or centrifical) forces(I am always getting these two confused) at work within the electron.


It is sort of like the whirl wind created in a blender. The water does not flow through the bottom of the blender but all the blobs of chocolate mix is carried by the water toward the blades of the blender. The low pressure created by the spinning blades combined with the torque of the blades creates the static whirl wind affect which is quite similar to the dynamic whirl wind affect created by the water draining in your toilet when you flush it.


The space time quantity is laiden with all kinds of waves fields of space-time quantity but when the low pressure space-time is created by the presence of dense energy the space-time waves of high pressure gravitate towards the space-time of low pressure creating the spin affect of the space-time waves and fields. This process creates a dynamical flow of energy in the form of energy or mass(not space) toward the region of low space-time density in the same way that the nestles quik is carried on the milk that is spinning in the blender toward the low pressure milk at the surface of the blender blades.


What I mean by "the energy and mass are dynamic and space is not" is merely that the chocalate coco moves toward the blades of the blender but the milk itself as a whole does moves very little towards the blades of the blender if at all.

What does everyone think? Does any of this make sense?

Inquisitively,

Edwin G. Schasteen

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Ditto to WanderingSoul in the endorsement of your analogies rgrunt.

It would be very interesting to discover that you are indeed correct if you are.

Your depiction of how you see it working is an excellent one.

I suspect you have some background in Quantum Physics but as our moderator has pointed out, perhaps your mind is not "...full of too much crap" to keep you from speculating in areas where other more professional theorists wouldn't even dare go.

I like that.

Good luck.

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Gee, I wonder where John, opps I mean TT_0 is.

Well I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions on both forums TT_0.

You left just when the answering part was getting good.

This must be a real big problem for a TimeTraveler to log on to the internet in this timeline. Considering how it's free and all www.netzero.com & www.bluelight.com

Hope to hear from you soon. And to hear your well crafted answers.

-Javier C.

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((1.) What weapons did you use to protect yourself throughout your life? Do you have a weapon with you now, just in case?))

I used a shotgun in the war. Yes, I think it’s prudent to be prepared for anything.

((2.) What is your favourite food? (whether you had access to it or not))

Oranges, I love them.

((3.) Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?))

The President or “leader” in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

((4.) While you were in the 1970's what did you think of Nixon as President?))

To tell you the truth, I was more fascinated by the different standards Presidents are held to.

((5.) Do you plan to do any more time traveling when you return to 2036? ))

I don’t know if I will be chosen for a another mission. If I do, most likely, I will fly as an advisor or historical consultant.

((6.) Do you have any doubts about this time travel experience and the computer mission that you are on? ))

Absolutely. I have to believe there is an easier way to do this.

((7.) What have you leered the most from the people of this board? ))

There is a fire of intelligence and expression out there in the people who are criticized for their open-mindedness. I fear it will only be uncovered in the rest of the population through conflict. I was under the impression that most people were sleeping in this period but I suppose that generalization is too broad for any time period.

((8.) Where did you learn the use of "Gosub" and which computer language? ))

Gosub / Return. In one form or another, isn’t that a pretty standard function in most computer languages?

((9.) Where did you learn to write perfect English? How much time did it take? ))

I’m not so sure I write perfect English. I do read a great deal more than I see most people doing here.

((10.) Was China your enemy? ))

Not my enemy? I never fought any Chinese but their ability to hit Western cities with missiles made a lot of people unhappy.

((11.) Do they have Pac Man or Donkey Kong in 2036? ))

I am aware they are video games but I have not come across them.

((12.) Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036? ))

I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn’t surprise you if they do that soon.

((13.) Do you have any problems with the number thirteen? ))

Not personally.

((14.) If the worldlines are changed by everyone's choices, this means we are all manevering through timelines as we make these choices. Since everyone is making different choices, why do we still meet people that coincide with our previous worldline? ))

Your worldline takes form as the choices unfold. People do not disappear because you must follow the same physical laws that hold you here. (i.e. Information cannot travel faster than light on a worldline.)

((15.) In your opinion, would timelines be better represented as an inflated balloon, or a layered Rubix cube with interchanging and overlapping interactions? ))

Balloon in balloon in balloon. A Rubix cube as in the toy, right?

((16.) Does your group have a television in 2036? ))

Information does arrive on video but cathode ray tubes are out and crystal or plasm is in. Distribution is over the net, not broadcast.

((17.) Does your group have a flashlight in 2036? If so, what type of batteries does it use? ))

Yes, we have flashlights and we use similar batteries for most things. We do recharge a great deal. Have you ever seen those wind-up radios? They’re pretty interesting I think.

((18.) How is electricity generated in 2036? ))

“Most” publicly generated power is through very efficient solar cells. On a local or household level, there is steam, hydro and inversion generation. There is a debate on using a singularity to generate power.

((19.) Does the sun look any different in 2036 than it does now? ))

When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that I’m aware of.

((20.) What sort of clothing do you wear in 2036? Is there strong attention paid to what people wear in the group? ))

Clothing is much more functional. I’m not sure what group you’re talking about.

((21.) Where were you born? ))

I was born in Florida.

((I'm sorry that the list is so long, but I hope that you will enjoy answering them, and we will all learn from them. ))

No Problem.

((TimeTravel_0 if you have any more questions you would like to know about us, please post them. ))

Thanks.

TTA...I promise to get to your questions. I just hope you aren't too dissapointed when you don't get the answeres you want. I wonder if you're change in attirude is in prelude to your well crafted literary trap? Do you think I'll fall in?

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Being aware of a literary trap how you described can go both ways I believe. Being able to avoid one, and being able to make one your self. Experience talks huh TT_0 ?

And that's what I believe you have been doing on this forum all along. You said your self, I keep you honest. So don't mind me for doing my job.

If you choose to just answer specific questions, and with that take days to carefully prepare them to make them presentable. Then your actions just speak for them selves. I don’t believe anyone here is dumb enough to not take that into account about you. Well maybe some.

Sure it was only a matter of time till this message board would be greeted by someone claiming to be from the future. But if you think about it, you’re not the only one who’s thorough in this. If you were to count the hundreds of Time Travel websites, you would see that any one of them could be used to study and use as your story here.

Well to make a long story short, I still await your answers. They must be pretty hard to answer, considering how I asked them first then others you’ve already answered. Anyone think that’s pretty suspicious?

-Javier C.

P.S. Hey TT_0, so you’re from Florida huh? Is that were you live too? I plan on visiting Florida this Spring; if you live there I’d like to see your machine .

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TT_0:

One thing all fiction writers in the SF genre run into is making the scenario seem plausable without stepping on known scientific fact, or even tripping oneself up with one's own words.

Larry Niven recieved criticism from the scientific community for his original Ringworld in that the ring would eventually become unstable. He corrected this in the sequel Ringworld Engineers with the addition of Bussard Ramjets.

In your statement -- "The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base." ---

You forgot (while trying to remain politically correct no doubt), that if you were ever in 2009, or had "past" knowledge of it, you would KNOW whether the President was a him or a her.

But,... for the most part I still consider your overall long running scenario well crafted and just generally evasive enough to keep you from being backed into a corner.

Good luck and keep it up.

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P.S. TT_0:

As far as the President in 2005, remember you're talking 4 years from now. It'll either be a re-elected G.W. Bush or someone we already know.

(I take it it must be the latter since G.W. would have a heck of a time trying to fill Abe Lincoln's shoes.)

But anyway, when that time comes, (soon now), and passes, will you stick to the same depictions of the period in your scenario, or will you revise it?

After all Orwell's 1984 still works as a literary piece even if it didn't come about the way he predicted.

Thanks.

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Time Travel_0 thanks for your reply. Can you please clarify some of these points?

((Clothing is much more functional. I’m not sure what group you’re talking about.))

Describe what you mean by functional. After all, what are the functions assigned to clothes rather than protection from environment. Do you wear light colors, dark colors, loose, tight fitting? What materials are used for the clothing?

((When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that I’m aware of. ))

How does this smoke and haze allow for solar cells to be efficient?

((I’m not so sure I write perfect English. I do read a great deal more than I see most people doing here. ))

Where did you learn to write and how old were you? How long did it take you? Did you learn before, during, or after the fighting. What do you attrubute to your learning to type fast?

((Gosub / Return. In one form or another, isn’t that a pretty standard function in most computer languages?))

No.

((I don’t know if I will be chosen for a another mission. If I do, most likely, I will fly as an advisor or historical consultant.))

Did you have a historical consultant or advisor to help you?

((Yes, we have flashlights and we use similar batteries for most things. We do recharge a great deal. ))

What do you call these batteries?

((A Rubix cube as in the toy, right?))

Rubix cube a toy. Where'd you get that idea?

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((Time Travel_0 thanks for your reply. Can you please clarify some of these points?))

It’s what I live for although I can’t help but feel you’re not exactly asking these questions for their own sake.

((Describe what you mean by functional. After all, what are the functions assigned to clothes rather than protection from environment. Do you wear light colors, dark colors, loose, tight fitting? What materials are used for the clothing?))

Seems a bit obscure to have a discssion about. Do we wear radiation suits? No. Do we use pockets a lot, Yes.

((How does this smoke and haze allow for solar cells to be efficient?))

Do you have any idea how effiient solar cells are today? Sometimes it’s sunny and sometimes it rains. Sometimes large dust clouds high in the atmosphere pass overhead. I don’t understasnd the point you want to make. The sun looks the same.

((Where did you learn to write and how old were you? How long did it take you? Did you learn before, during, or after the fighting. What do you attrubute to your learning to type fast?))

I was home schooled and I spend a lot of time typing.

((((Gosub / Return. In one form or another, isn’t that a pretty standard function in most computer languages?)) No. ))

I beg to differ on this point. I may not be a computer programmer but I do know that going away to preform one function and returning to the original function is basic to all software. Perhaps it may be called something else in various languages.

((Did you have a historical consultant or advisor to help you?))

No, fairly easy job.

((What do you call these batteries?))

Good and bad…same as you.

(((A Rubix cube as in the toy, right?)) Rubix cube a toy. Where'd you get that idea?))

I’ve seen reffrences to them in various science papers. If I’m mistaken, what are you referring to?

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Gosub is considered a "swear word" in the programming world. But it's used by the ameteurs. It is bad practive to use something like that in Java, C, C++, you never want to break out of a loop like that. However is can be used. It is there for emergencies, when you are stuck and no where out. Have you ever heard of Fortran? Its used a lot in the older versions if you grew up in the 70's or earlier.

I see that you are upset by my questions. If you don't want to talk about your clothes that's ok.

Take care.

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Touchy touchy John Titor from Florida.

Did I mention I will be in Florida this Spring?

You seem almost offended in answering our questions. We're curious... Isn't that your reason for coming to this board too? So why not allow us to be curious about you, and quiz you of what you know.

No harm in that, is there ?

-Javier C.

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