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So John Titor was a hoax.

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This is from an email exchange I had with Raul (the original owner of this site) back in September 2014 while he was in the process of transferring ownership of the site to me:

wow this is interesting!!! But case closed?? why?? Did anyone ask staff members of the school if they know something!?? We just tracked Titor and that's it?

Weird... I can't seem to find the post. It was a while back and I was speaking in generalities. It may be one of the posts left over on http://mistake.timetravelinstitute.com when we were on the shitty software. Either way, it's something I'm sure

@Darby or Mop spoke on in the past at some point

What

@Darby has to say about this??

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That's interesting to know as if this was known previously all the mass media flame about this wouldn't happen and the truth would have come out immediatly. Also , even without this acknowledgment, was clear that was all fake despite the presentations was indeed clear and credible.

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I think this is the end to a well-conceived hoax. Maybe the old owner did not reveal this crucial element at the time for privacy reasons, but if he had done it, we wouldn't have talked about this story for an entire decade. In the end, somehow it was worth it. LOL

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The location of the IP address will most likely have no effect on the Titor fan(atic)s. They will just say,

"So what if he used an IP address in Fl. He said his parents lived in Fl. He only used the high schools IP one time. Maybe he had to because his was down for some reason and he needed to get some, highly valuable, very important, information to us that just couldn't wait. It doesn't prove anything. He was real. You just shut up. He's REAL!"

Or something along those lines.

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He was real. You just shut up. He's REAL!"

Well I think u are going too far !! Its not about war of fans and anti-Titor fans. And maybe someone can still believe on Titor. So What ?? And I don't think that there are ppl so fanatic with Titor.

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And I don't think that there are ppl so fanatic with Titor.

I could name names, but I'll refrain for the time being.

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Has anyone considered the possibility that Larry Haber is an attorney and was handed a set of memoirs for publication along with a manuscript and paid to impose that manuscript online? Or the possibility that this timeline did not include Y2K and that our young John has never handled a shotgun in his life. Perhaps he is an aspiring computer programmer who is looked after by Kay and the diamondbacks?

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Has anyone considered the possibility that Larry Haber is an attorney and was handed a set of memoirs for publication along with a manuscript and paid to impose that manuscript online? Or the possibility that this timeline did not include Y2K and that our young John has never handled a shotgun in his life. Perhaps he is an aspiring computer programmer who is looked after by Kay and the diamondbacks?

NO! This whole titor saga is a sad hoax, that has gone on for far too long! Time to put an end to this foolishness, imo!

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NO! This whole titor saga is a sad hoax, that has gone on for far too long! Time to put an end to this foolishness, imo!

And if it's not?

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Another senseless drive-by Titoring. :eek: Luckily, no one was injured. 😄

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Another senseless drive-by Titoring. :eek: Luckily, no one was injured. 😄

LOL. Today, you have been awarded the John Titor memorial award for the most "entertaining-comment-of-the-Day"

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Going back to Nicholas' original speculation, personally I never thought Pamela was involved in the hoax. I always considered she was just a very gullible person who lapped the story all up. I speculate that at a very early stage the Titor hoaxer may have entered into some private messaging with her, because maybe he was gratified that somebody was buying it wholesale, but Pamela turned out to be a loose cannon, releasing her emails and keeping bits of "information" back because it made her feel important. So the hoaxer soon dropped her, as he was getting heavy flak by then anyway, and could prove zip.

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Yes , John Titor was a hoax. It is confirmed ...but the concept of time travelling he was saying was correct.

Can you be more specific? What do mean by his "concept"? If you mean his alleged physical method I have to disagree. His diagram showed 2 mini black holes contained in a tin box with no power supply.

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Going back to Nicholas' original speculation, personally I never thought Pamela was involved in the hoax. I always considered she was just a very gullible person who lapped the story all up. I speculate that at a very early stage the Titor hoaxer may have entered into some private messaging with her, because maybe he was gratified that somebody was buying it wholesale, but Pamela turned out to be a loose cannon, releasing her emails and keeping bits of "information" back because it made her feel important. So the hoaxer soon dropped her, as he was getting heavy flak by then anyway, and could prove zip.

Hey! Thanks for considering the original thread. Many didn't 😞

Anyways, about pamela: a while back, I met someone in this forum that gave me a different insight on her. He allegedly had information on her identity, which to me was never relevant to the whole thing. Your insight makes sense though. Specially the "made her feel important" part. I see this easily happening. 👍

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Ohh i mean , his theoretical intepretation of time travelling was very correct. Obviously he was saying BS when he talked about actual time machine

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Ohh i mean , his theoretical intepretation of time travelling was very correct. Obviously he was saying BS when he talked about actual time machine

I don't know his theory, if he had much of one; I must have not paid much attention on those posts, if I read them. Yes his "machine" was BS and because he never actually came from the future, his predictions were all BS too.

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Ah yes had a quick look up and refresh. The manyworlds/multiple timeline hypotheses. That is only one speculative view; it's not even a testable theory as yet. But I am not going to argue about it.

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Can you be more specific? What do mean by his "concept"? If you mean his alleged physical method I have to disagree. His diagram showed 2 mini black holes contained in a tin box with no power supply.

The illustration for the C204 clearly depicts a fuel cell being fed from a H2 reformer fueled by LPG natural gas canisters. There is an onboard power supply, hence the requirement of traveling with a closed O2 supply.

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The illustration for the C204 clearly depicts a fuel cell being fed from a H2 reformer fueled by LPG natural gas canisters. There is an onboard power supply, hence the requirement of traveling with a closed O2 supply.

I should have said a viable power supply. You really think it's possible to maintain electromagnetic fields to contain TWO mini black holes with the low energies from such sources ? The LHC at CERN has just been upgraded to operate at 13 TeV and they haven't managed to create a discoverable microsingularity yet. Not to mention the huge size of the superconducting electromagnets and the racetrack they whizz the particles around in to get them up to atom smashing speeds.

That's real physics.

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I should have said a viable power supply. You really think it's possible to maintain electromagnetic fields to contain TWO mini black holes with the low energies from such sources ? The LHC at CERN has just been upgraded to operate at 13 TeV and they haven't managed to create a discoverable microsingularity yet. Not to mention the huge size of the superconducting electromagnets and the racetrack they whizz the particles around in to get them up to atom smashing speeds.

That's real physics.

Perhaps tge LHC functions as a factory for the purpose of isolating singularities? My memory escapes me at the moment, but is there any chance that the singularities used in the C204 have an unnaturally induced charge?

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Perhaps tge LHC functions as a factory for the purpose of isolating singularities? My memory escapes me at the moment, but is there any chance that the singularities used in the C204 have an unnaturally induced charge?

I don't know what you can mean. Nothing I have read about black holes or the possibility of micro singularities mentions any type of charge.

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My memory escapes me at the moment, but is there any chance that the singularities used in the C204 have an unnaturally induced charge?

In Titor's Saga Boomer used the idea of a Kerr-Newman class black hole for his time machine. You can Google Kerr-Newman Black Hole (KNBH) for specific details. The short version is that a KNBH is a spinning black hole (Kerr Black Hole) that has a net electric charge, i.e. it is completely described by its mass, angular momentum and charge.

So your recollection of the Titor Saga is correct. He said that his "scientists" spun up the black hole by injecting it with electrons. This might sound convincing but it is utter BS. Yes, there is definitely a KNBH solution to General Relativity. But the solution isn't doable in the real world. Injecting the first electron is no problem. After that every new electron faces an ever increasing repulsive Coulomb Force. The force isn't minor. The force is 10^39 times greater than gravitation. In order to get electrons in they have to be traveling at a large fraction of the speed of light otherwise the repulsive force deflects them. Eventually the net charge would be such that further electrons would have to travel at the speed of light. This isn't a viable solution.

Recall, Titor's supposed black holes (two of them) had a combined mass of ~225 kg . We know that because he clearly stated that the entire gadget (box, components and 2 black holes) weighed about 500 lbs (226kg). The box and components had to have some mass and we can assume the two black holes had near equal mass so their individual mass was something on the order of 95-100 kg. A black hole with a mass of 100 kg would have an event horizon smaller than the classical diameter of a proton. You might have a problem sliding a Chevy truck through a BH with that diameter. It actually wouldn't make much difference had his BH's had the mass of Earth. If Earth were to be squeezed down to a BH the event horizon would have a diameter of 9mm. Chevy trucks still have problems fitting through that hole.

For his gadget you would need the mass of multiple stars. In order to safely traverse the throat of his wormhole it would have to be hundreds of kilometers in diameter. Gravity isn't the only factor. You have the electrical forces to deal with because in the case of multi-stellar mass BH's you did start off with both protons and electrons. Matter may no longer exist (at least from the perspective of being outside the event horizon) but the mass, energy, charge and angular momentum of the star remains and can be detected outside the event horizon (and down the throat of the wormhole). The throat will be an electrical hell if you don't have a sufficiently wide mouth and manage to navigate right down the middle.Then you have the problem of having the BH in the real world where incoming matter falls into the BH. This results in a gamma ray hell. Matter being accelerated to near the speed of light in a huge gravitational field radiates electrical magnetic energy in the form of gamma rays.

It's a nice story but it's also really bad science. Boomer was a decent writer but he didn't know much about physics other than what he would quickly glean from some website. Generally speaking he not only posted the high school physics version he only seemed to have the high school version as a foundation for his personal knowledgebase.

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I am just a Beginner in physics my opinion is that if we use a nuclear reactor we fuse two nuclei together somehow if we fuse them it might create a miniature black hole you know if we nuclei are bombarded with each other at high speed and they collide with each other undergoing a fusion reaction now if we could apply gravity somehow or pressure enough to overcome the strong nuclear forces during that process of fusion it will result in creating a miniature black hole i guess we can change the direction of the spin by using a magnetic field because in a small black hole the particles around it loss their angular momentum (so there will be more magnetic field around the blackhole ) fewer than the large black hole so now small energy is transferred into the black hole corona as a result we can control the spin of the black hole by applying the external magnetic field now i dont know how to apply this all to what TITOR  claimed but i can it might have something to do with it.

SORRY IF IT ALL WAS OUT OF TOPIC I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE MODEL OF TIME MACHINE OF THE TITOR BUT I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF SOMEONE WILL GIVE ME THE DETAILS. 

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Two things Darby.

 

1) The  way RMT described it to me, the singularities were placed side by side in the device.

the interaction between the two created the “field” TITOR claims to have used to “travel”

I just did not want it mistaken that somehow he traversed down one of the singularities itself.

 

2 Why did you choose not to respond to Cosmo statement about Titors IP being traced to Celebration High School?

I personally had never heard it mentioned out of MOP, or anybody else.

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