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So John Titor was a hoax.

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I'm one of the skeptical regarding everyone's favorite time traveler. I don't think he's given enough evidence to support his claims and therefore is just someone creative, at least.

But this thread isn't about that (really. please don't.).

Although I don't see him as a real time traveler, I guess we all can agree that there had to be a person typing his posts, therefore a person existed/exists. This is what I'd like to address here. This unknown person that once logged on here and came up with John Titor. What do my other skeptical friends of the Institute think this person has been doing during the past 16 years? Do you guys think he's (she? they?) still around visiting the forum without a clue on how to be Titor again? Maybe he forgot about it all and never came back, like many others? What is his affiliation with the user "pamela"? A close relationship as theirs does makes me wonder. Maybe we bumped into him on the street? Took the same bus? Maybe he works with one of us? Maybe he's served us in a fast food restaurant? Maybe he died? Who knows.

My intention with this is to propose an exercise of conjecture. It doesn't need to be accurate or verifiable. Just entertaining hypothesis. Well, that is unless you do have some concrete info about his current status. That would be gold.

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I'll be posting a thread soon with evidence that most people will shoot down or ignore, but there's some new things coming true that are worth a mention. People who have already made up their minds not to believe will automatically shoot it down, though, so I will most likely just post it then let them make their snide remarks, some of which will be aimed towards me because people with no evidence of their own choose the attack method of self defense instead of being polite. Been very busy, though, so I don't know when I'll do it, but soon..... Also, the book I recommended many times makes a lot of good points but people won't read it. People are afraid they may be wrong. Shrug. You can lead a horse to water.....

(I need a few days to gather info and create a good post).

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If I wanted to choose some fiction to believe, I think Alice in Wonderland would be a much better choice. But the line between the sane and insane becomes pretty thin when you start accepting stories as being true. The line breaks when you start making up your own beliefs.

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You can lead a horse to water.....

But he won't drink it... if it's "bad". 🙂

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I'll be posting a thread soon with evidence that most people will shoot down or ignore, but there's some new things coming true that are worth a mention. People who have already made up their minds not to believe will automatically shoot it down, though, so I will most likely just post it then let them make their snide remarks, some of which will be aimed towards me because people with no evidence of their own choose the attack method of self defense instead of being polite. Been very busy, though, so I don't know when I'll do it, but soon..... Also, the book I recommended many times makes a lot of good points but people won't read it. People are afraid they may be wrong. Shrug. You can lead a horse to water.....

(I need a few days to gather info and create a good post).

I look forward to your post.

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But he won't drink it... if it's "bad". 🙂

Deciding the water is bad before you've even seen it? I already know where this is heading, but I'm going to post it anyway. I'm not scared.

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If I wanted to choose some fiction to believe, I think Alice in Wonderland would be a much better choice. But the line between the sane and insane becomes pretty thin when you start accepting stories as being true. The line breaks when you start making up your own beliefs.

I didn't make this up. It will be information passed along.

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I have an idea. Why not just insult me right now and get it out of your system. You'll feel better. :)

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I'm not belittling you. I'm genuinely interested to read what you post.

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I'm not belittling you. I'm genuinely interested to read what you post.

Yet. I'm predicting a huge backlash from at least 3 specific members.

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I got the frying pan all ready for you. Any time you're ready to jump in.

Ah, you're ok. You won't call me a fruitbat. You're just not going to like all the black hole stuff. LOL. BTW, add bacon. I heard it's good. 😉

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What kind of seasoning do you think would be appropriate?

I can be a firecracker, so you might want to add some Cayenne Pepper.

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This is not what I meant at all you guys...

Here, let me try:

I think the person behind John Titor is still around. He's one of the people reading this. He knows pamela in person. She knew him before the whole thing started. I don't think they planned it to last over 16 years though.

The pictures he provided, those made a difference. Nobody until today has provided pictures, diagrams or illustrations the way he did. Although none of the images pertaining to him had anything out of the ordinary and were also very poor in quality, they are unique.

This person has no reason to reveal himself and never will. Unless, for some reason, he feels some kind of guilt... I don't know. But, if he comes back, he won't come as a time traveler. He won't be able to withstand 16 years of questioning and he knows it. The story would fall apart.

I imagine him coming back saying "Alright guys, that was fun! Oh and by the way, my name is Clive Smith. I live in Oklahoma. Nice to meet you!"

Anyway, If I had to bet, we'll never know who the person behind Timetravel_0 is.

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I, too, doubt that the truth will ever come out. Even if it did, one or more sides in the debate would not acknowledge it. Bigfoot and the Loch Ness onster have both been admitted to be fake, and they still get people all up in arms!

But yes, what the people have actually been doing is very interesting. Little or none of it seems to have been capitalized on, which continues to surprise me. Larry seems to actually be behaving like a lawyer, not a scammer. My guess is the instigator got cold feet and just clammed up. On the other hand, the entire experiement could be to see how the legend holds up, rather than just how the initial hoax went. And that's assuming, of course, that it's a hoax (I completely believe so, but my beliefs are not automatically true).

My bigger wonder is, why has nobody made a better TT story, using the experiences of Titor, and tried to $$ it up?

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I imagine him coming back saying "Alright guys, that was fun! Oh and by the way, my name is Clive Smith. I live in Oklahoma. Nice to meet you!"

I knew it. I never trusted that Clive fellow. I think it's his eyes, he's just too... weird....

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Deciding the water is bad before you've even seen it? I already know where this is heading, but I'm going to post it anyway. I'm not scared.

There is an "if" in there.

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Yet. I'm predicting a huge backlash from at least 3 specific members.

What?? Who would do that?

I might challenge an idea or opinion but, I wouldn't call it "backlash"...It's debate...Debate can sometimes "seem" unfriendly. :notworthy:

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:whistle:

I believe in God. I'm firm in that conviction. That's why I don't spend my time trying to convince everyone he/she/it exists. When an atheist tells me I'm wrong, I just shrug.

Make of that what you will.

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:whistle:

I believe in God. I'm firm in that conviction. That's why I don't spend my time trying to convince everyone he/she/it exists. When an atheist tells me I'm wrong, I just shrug.

Make of that what you will.

But are people trying their very hardest, almost daily, to convince you God doesn't exist?

Besides, this is the site where the legend began. People are going to talk about Titor here for a very long time whether non-believers like it or not. They have the freedom of choice to not read about it or move to a website that suits their interests.

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But are people trying their very hardest, almost daily, to convince you God doesn't exist?

Besides, this is the site where the legend began. People are going to talk about Titor here for a very long time whether non-believers like it or not. They have the freedom of choice to not read about it or move to a website that suits their interests.

You mean like checking out 'that' book from the library on a subject you obviously loathe, and then choose to re-read 'that' book over and over again? And joining a 'that' book club to whine and cry all the time about 'that' book for years when you could just take your butt back to the library, turn in 'that' book and check out a NEW one?

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You mean like checking out 'that' book from the library on a subject you obviously loathe, and then choose to re-read 'that' book over and over again? And joining a 'that' book club to whine and cry all the time about 'that' book for years when you could just take your butt back to the library, turn in 'that' book and check out a NEW one?

Yeah, or if you're an atheist, go to a Christian website and complain that everyone is talking about God and try to convince everyone that they are wrong because they have no proof God exists, when there are probably plenty of atheist sites out there that agree with them. (Just an example).

Another example. I don't like country music, but I'm not on country websites telling them their music sucks, nor am I forcing my views about Rock and Roll on anyone. If someone likes country, that's their prerogative and I don't feel I have a duty to convince them otherwise. I don't even have time for that.

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Yeah, or if you're an atheist, go to a Christian website and complain that everyone is talking about God and try to convince everyone that they are wrong because they have no proof God exists, when there are probably plenty of atheist sites out there that agree with them. (Just an example).

Another example. I don't like country music, but I'm not on country websites telling them their music sucks, nor am I forcing my views about Rock and Roll on anyone. If someone likes country, that's their prerogative and I don't feel I have a duty to convince them otherwise. I don't even have time for that.

This is too subjective for me to understand.

Am I the rocker on a country music forum?

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Yeah, or if you're an atheist, go to a Christian website and complain that everyone is talking about God and try to convince everyone that they are wrong because they have no proof God exists, when there are probably plenty of atheist sites out there that agree with them. (Just an example).

Actually, that happens all the time.

It appears, some may have an assumption about this forum that, not everyone else here agrees with. This forum, (Cosmo, please set me straight if I am incorrect) is a place to debate time travel and evaluate persons that claim to be time travelers, not worship them or the offered opinions on the possibility of time travel.

Cosmo has set aside forums that exclude debate. If you want all your opinions to be unchallenged, ask for a forum where only those given to acquiescence can post. Cosmo seems respective to those positions. He may give you one.

What I find disturbing is the commonality of Titor "believers" to identify their "persecution", (being told Titor wasn't a REAL time traveler) with religious persecution. I witnessed one of his biggest (most pathetic) worshippers, (not on this site, thankfully) making him out to be messianic, comparing his pseudo-messianic "predictions" with Jesus' prophecies and making other general comparisons. I'm sure there are some here that know, of whom, I refer. Those fanatics are nescient of true persecution at best.

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Actually, that happens all the time.

It appears, some may have an assumption about this forum that, not everyone else here agrees with. This forum, (Cosmo, please set me straight if I am incorrect) is a place to debate time travel and evaluate persons that claim to be time travelers, not worship them or the offered opinions on the possibility of time travel.

Cosmo has set aside forums that exclude debate. If you want all your opinions to be unchallenged, ask for a forum where only those given to acquiescence can post. Cosmo seems respective to those positions. He may give you one.

I don't see anywhere that states every conversation is required to be a debate.

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What I find disturbing is the commonality of Titor "believers" to identify their "persecution", (being told Titor wasn't a REAL time traveler) with religious persecution.

It has nothing to do with being told you believe he isn't real. It's the use of words like "bullshit" and "fruitbat". It's the throwing out of evidence before even reading it. It's the automatic attack mode if the Titor name is even mentioned. Sometimes, people want to speculate, not pull out a science book, scholarly papers, and consult Stephen Hawking.

So, you can choose once in a while to just let it go and let people talk. Not every single mention of Titor has to become a huge, universe-altering debate.

There are lots of conversations I just let flow. I don't have to get my nose into every single one of them.

There are power trips involved, alpha male behavior, and other mental issues that cause people to find the need to be right, over and over, day after day.

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